Sabian 20" HH Manhattan. Try the HH, i don't dig the HHX... the HH has more 'thinness' to it and great wash BUT it will NEVER run away from you... you never lose the stick sound no matter how hard or fast you push it.

I have a Bosphorus that i LOVE, it is a 20" Sizzle Ride, with the rivets taken out and it sounds great with the Manhattan. I have about 60 cymbals and about 15+ rides... the Manhattan is the real deal. That is the one i would cry the most over if it broke. It is so cheap too, and is a really overlooked cymbal. The feel of it is amazing too. I have brought in tons of cymbals for my friends to hear (musician friends) and that is one they always drool over. Billy Kilson uses it for some crazy fast stuff and it stays with him, the sound is always there, never takes off.

It is a great one, try it [img]wink.gif[/img]

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ May 25, 2005 04:06 AM: Message edited by: matricks ]</font>